tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post3249695961076269818..comments2023-07-08T08:12:28.854-04:00Comments on Oh Taste and See: Cultures: From Kitch to CuranderoFr. Davidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03489705490983833993noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-22263842472953823952010-06-03T15:55:05.515-04:002010-06-03T15:55:05.515-04:00Darlene,
I have been critical of the importation ...Darlene,<br /><br />I have been critical of the importation of Evangelical rituals, religious psychologies, and socio-religious constructs into Orthodoxy.<br /><br />This had absolutely nothing to do with the demand upon the Orthodox Christian that he think himself the foremost of sinners (a notion to which we should be careful not to apply too literal a hermeneutic).<br /><br />Think about the Ochlophobist https://www.blogger.com/profile/13751003558600087713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-67038268753485478672010-06-02T21:58:36.156-04:002010-06-02T21:58:36.156-04:00Mr. O'Phobist,
It'll take a while for me ...Mr. O'Phobist,<br /><br />It'll take a while for me to grasp all that you have written. Like snow, me thinks it will eventually melt and sink in. <br /><br />I don't fancy technology in particular. Yet oddly enough, I've learned quite a bit about Orthodoxy on line. So technology has its place.<br /><br />As far as importing an Evangelical ethos into Orthodoxy, I'm not Darlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01183436767997017002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-79537219387869341212010-06-02T17:39:13.912-04:002010-06-02T17:39:13.912-04:00- cont'd -
The rituals I make mention of in ...- cont'd - <br /><br />The rituals I make mention of in the post, the techniques, the rhetorical tools, the techno-apparatus of Evangelicalism – all this suits the theology of Evangelicalism. The same is true with Evangelical philosophical mechanisms. I recently heard a talk by Bobby Maddex in which he was making use of 90’sesque Calvinist side of Evangelicalism worldview theory, and he Ochlophobist https://www.blogger.com/profile/13751003558600087713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-12155806107141897682010-06-02T17:39:13.911-04:002010-06-02T17:39:13.911-04:00Rdr. David,
given the willingness of dang near ev...Rdr. David,<br /><br /><i>given the willingness of dang near everybody these days to fit in to commercially-sanctioned ethnoi, what does a local community do to 1) bridge the gap between various ethnoi present in a given parish and 2) awaken the faithful to the identity in Christ which is both distinct from "earnings as self-identification" and common to all?</i><br /><br />There are a Ochlophobist https://www.blogger.com/profile/13751003558600087713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-28672556219665426762010-06-02T17:36:41.434-04:002010-06-02T17:36:41.434-04:00I no longer use the word 'authentic' in th...I no longer use the word 'authentic' in these contexts. I have come to believe that it is too 'loaded' a word. I am increasingly suspect of anyone selling an 'authentic' (their word) Orthodoxy that is juxtaposed against what is deemed a lesser Orthodoxy (whether it be ethnic, traditionalist, etc.). Part of the point here is that the Evangelical ethos when found in Ochlophobist https://www.blogger.com/profile/13751003558600087713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-46216449662692779262010-06-02T17:09:24.319-04:002010-06-02T17:09:24.319-04:00Darlene -
I think the point Och and Arturo were ...Darlene - <br /><br />I think the point Och and Arturo were trying to make is that there are groups that surface from within a religious confession that claim to be <i>the</i> right way to go about practicing that religion. Group <i>x</i> thinks group <i>y</i> should be more rigorous in its "knowledge" of the Bible; group <i>y</i> thinks group <i>x</i> should just get over itself, Fr. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03489705490983833993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-86907092931477684372010-06-02T10:37:21.041-04:002010-06-02T10:37:21.041-04:00So then I ask, what's an Orthodox convert to d...So then I ask, what's an Orthodox convert to do? If I understand Och's concerns correctly, almost no one, anywhere, in these United States is authentically living the Orthodox life. If that be so, what's the point of being Orthodox if all's so hopeless? (in Och's mind, not mine) Maybe I should sneek off to Mt. Athos or some holy place in reviving Holy Russia. :)<br /><br /Darlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01183436767997017002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-29062961453865822282010-06-02T09:59:32.771-04:002010-06-02T09:59:32.771-04:00...and, inauthentic, perhaps, due to limitations o......and, inauthentic, perhaps, due to limitations of scope?Fr. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03489705490983833993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-37036674393109315622010-06-02T09:57:57.410-04:002010-06-02T09:57:57.410-04:00Darlene - I think you're conflating things. I...Darlene - I think you're conflating things. I like the maxims of Fr. Tom, yes. Bumper sticker slogans, not so much, even though the actual statement <i>could</i> be stated truthfully (and has, in centuries past, by men who did, in fact, love Jesus). Certainly imaginary men cannot, in fact, love Jesus. The phrase, while also an opportunity to make homoerotic jokes about people who are Fr. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03489705490983833993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-43957286999742898112010-06-01T22:56:21.085-04:002010-06-01T22:56:21.085-04:00Charismercialism is one to remember.
But saying t...<i>Charismercialism</i> is one to remember.<br /><br /><i>But saying that confirming the Eucharist with some desire to obtain knowledge of--and, of course, ascetic fulfillment of--the commandments of Christ is somehow not better than just receiving the thing itself is just plain wrong.</i><br /><br />Arturo's project has its nuances and ebbs and flows and occasional contradictions, but in theOchlophobist https://www.blogger.com/profile/13751003558600087713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-4834360108485505252010-06-01T21:24:35.892-04:002010-06-01T21:24:35.892-04:00Hmmm...So you like the phrase, "Real men love...Hmmm...So you like the phrase, "Real men love Jesus?" :) And why as a bumper sticker? <br /><br />I recall once how I put a sticker on my bumper which said, "Isn't it time for Jesus?" It was meant to be an evangelistic tool. I thought I was being unashamed of Jesus and risking rejection from the world to be so bold as to have a Jesus sticker.<br /><br />All of this Darlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01183436767997017002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-81213601177776417052010-06-01T14:44:40.183-04:002010-06-01T14:44:40.183-04:00Darlene,
Right. I posted them as exemplary maxim...Darlene,<br /><br />Right. I posted them as exemplary maxims for the Christian life.<br /><br />I've often thought that cliches are just the truth stated without conviction. Doesn't stop them from being the truth, but it robs them of their power.Fr. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03489705490983833993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-35544605236822474592010-06-01T12:41:57.444-04:002010-06-01T12:41:57.444-04:00David,
So, I take it that you have no problem wit...David,<br /><br />So, I take it that you have no problem with Hopko's 55 maxims, right?<br /><br />I must agree that the Protestant Evangelicals have a monopoly on that phrase "personal relationship with Jesus." I've gotten to the point where I'm suspicious of most Christian catch phrases. Bumper stickers are at the head of worst offenders. I saw one today that read, &Darlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01183436767997017002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-73567812207069562352010-05-26T10:05:40.151-04:002010-05-26T10:05:40.151-04:00"Minding them quietly"... Make that 56 M..."Minding them quietly"... Make that 56 Maxims. :)Moo!https://www.blogger.com/profile/06552374566605332568noreply@blogger.com