tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post8652620027226636617..comments2023-07-08T08:12:28.854-04:00Comments on Oh Taste and See: Faith and Works, Paul and JamesFr. Davidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03489705490983833993noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-32763510770687712102007-05-24T18:25:00.000-04:002007-05-24T18:25:00.000-04:00Oh my gosh. That is AWESOME. Quick, Batman, to t...Oh my gosh. That is AWESOME. Quick, Batman, to the Bat-email!Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-82767054992926342512007-05-23T16:57:00.000-04:002007-05-23T16:57:00.000-04:00I was being somewhat facetious, as my signature wa...I was being somewhat facetious, as my signature was supposed to indicate. ;^)<BR/><BR/>But ... since we're on the topic of quanta (as well as one's eternal state), I'll leave you with this ditty:<BR/><BR/><B>The story of Schroedinger's cat (an epic poem) <BR/>07-May-1982</B><BR/><BR/><I>Dear Cecil:<BR/><BR/>Cecil, you're my final hope<BR/>Of finding out the true Straight Dope<BR/>For I have been EricWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09008786460314263379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-28959461719164208942007-05-22T17:01:00.000-04:002007-05-22T17:01:00.000-04:00Howdoodle,ONE:You said:you're importing the idea i...Howdoodle,<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>ONE:</B><BR/>You said:<BR/><I>you're importing the idea into the passage that they're NOT free to turn away at any time because YOU have to, especially in the light of Romans 11 and elsewhere.</I><BR/><BR/>You may not have meant to express this, but you have just made the equivalent of an admission that my position accords w/ Scripture - since I "have to" import Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-31778928495085082482007-05-19T18:11:00.000-04:002007-05-19T18:11:00.000-04:00Jesus said that He is the Light of the World. One ...Jesus said that He is the Light of the World. One thing we know about light is that it can at times best be described as a particle, and at other times best be described as a wave. It exhibits characteristics of either or both, depending on what you are trying to measure. So I will derive a conclusion from this that whether believers are eternally secure or are contingently saved depends on EricWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09008786460314263379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-52102265582172146952007-05-19T15:43:00.000-04:002007-05-19T15:43:00.000-04:00Shoot, forgot something...The "and they follow me"...Shoot, forgot something...<BR/><BR/>The "and they follow me" clause in Jn. 10:27 -- και ακολουθουσιν μοι -- clearly has "they" as the inflected subject on the verb "follow," with "μοι" being the objective pronoun, "me" (hey, EYTYXOΣ: how'm I doin', profe? ;-))<BR/><BR/>How do you get by the obvious transitivity of the verb in this verse? How can this be anything but a part we play in our own "Fr. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03489705490983833993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-7020094610840948042007-05-19T15:31:00.000-04:002007-05-19T15:31:00.000-04:00"Howdy"--Howdoo.ONE:"The sheep will not perish. Yo..."Howdy"<BR/><BR/>--Howdoo.<BR/><BR/><B>ONE</B>:<BR/><BR/>"The sheep will not perish. You said they perish because they turn away, which they're free to do at any time but you're importing that into the text from elsewhere. B/c you have to."<BR/><BR/>I could argue that you're importing the idea into the passage that they're NOT free to turn away at any time because YOU have to, especially in the Fr. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03489705490983833993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-7005576750975199362007-05-17T18:21:00.000-04:002007-05-17T18:21:00.000-04:00Ah, I understand - hotel PCs are not the best envi...Ah, I understand - hotel PCs are not the best environment for such a discussion, that's for sure.<BR/><BR/>When you get a chance, I'd like to know why you answered that way.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>ALANRhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-64255501068160987282007-05-17T17:47:00.000-04:002007-05-17T17:47:00.000-04:00No he wouldn't.You do your eisegeting and I'll do ...No he wouldn't.<BR/><BR/>You do your eisegeting and I'll do mine. ;^)<BR/><BR/>(I'm on the road and don't have time to write lengthily, esp. since it's a public hotel PC.)EricWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09008786460314263379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-77730239126547690512007-05-17T16:13:00.000-04:002007-05-17T16:13:00.000-04:00And yes, he would apply that to children. I don't...And yes, he would apply that to children. I don't recall seeing "And you adults were dead in your trespasses and sins, but not your kids" in that Epistle.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-82217420280859883192007-05-17T16:12:00.000-04:002007-05-17T16:12:00.000-04:00On what basis do you say that "Jesus, though, does...On what basis do you say that "Jesus, though, does not seem to regard children as being such"?Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-83258634186551764452007-05-17T13:39:00.000-04:002007-05-17T13:39:00.000-04:00Paul was writing to adults in his Ephesians Epistl...Paul was writing to adults in his Ephesians Epistle. Would he consider young children as being dead in their trespasses and sins and walking according to the devil in their futile entire behavior? I guess it depends on one's soteriology and anthropology. Jesus, though, does not seem to regard children as being such.EricWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09008786460314263379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-45091630419429772002007-05-17T10:27:00.000-04:002007-05-17T10:27:00.000-04:00Oh good, then you'll also remember this psg (which...Oh good, then you'll also remember this psg (which is much closer to the Eph 2:8-10 psg in question):<BR/><BR/>Eph 2:1And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,<BR/><BR/> 2in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.<BR/><BR/> 3Among them we too all formerly Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-68297991420987961432007-05-16T22:20:00.000-04:002007-05-16T22:20:00.000-04:00Alan said:How do you figure that?1st of all, every...<I><B>Alan said:</B><BR/>How do you figure that?<BR/>1st of all, everyone starts a goat.<BR/>Some become sheep. Christ says they won't perish.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, I clearly remember this passage:<BR/><I>13 Then little evil totally-depraved-by-original-sin children were brought to Jesus for him to place his hands on them and pray for them. And the disciples rebuked those who brought them. 14 And EricWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09008786460314263379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-29364499168194156502007-05-16T17:10:00.000-04:002007-05-16T17:10:00.000-04:00Take a closer look at 1 Corinthians 7:19; Galatian...Take a closer look at 1 Corinthians 7:19; Galatians 5:6; Titus 1:13-16 and 3:8,9. <BR/><BR/>Tell me what You see there. <BR/><BR/>(I suppose You already went over Ephesians 2:8-10; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Titus 2:14).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-23362132104315413212007-05-16T14:03:00.000-04:002007-05-16T14:03:00.000-04:00Howdy,ONE:Obviously I don't agree w/ you about how...Howdy,<BR/><BR/>ONE:<BR/><BR/>Obviously I don't agree w/ you about how you describe the "being a sheep" in John 10, but that's not the most central question.<BR/>The sheep will not perish. <BR/>You said <B>they perish because they turn away, which they're free to do at any time</B> but you're importing that into the text from elsewhere. B/c you have to. <BR/>For your objection to stand, you'd Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-45700151931599378092007-05-14T18:27:00.000-04:002007-05-14T18:27:00.000-04:00Benjamin,Wow, you stayed longer than maybe I would...Benjamin,<BR/><BR/>Wow, you stayed longer than maybe I would've! May your wedding and first weeks of marriage be blessed. It's pretty good. Pretty good. I think you'll like it.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-12156294422442926402007-05-13T18:45:00.000-04:002007-05-13T18:45:00.000-04:00Ben,God bless, and congratulations. God grant...Ben,<BR/><BR/>God bless, and congratulations. God grant y'all two many years.<BR/><BR/>Alan,<BR/><BR/>"I am trying to get better than I've been in the past."<BR/><BR/> -- I've noticed.<BR/><BR/><B>NUMBER ONE:</B><BR/><BR/>"Given that [St. John would possibly have never heard of such an idea as the Perseverance of the Saints], his commentary (to which I was referred, I remind you, by an EO Fr. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03489705490983833993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-17056787273477406992007-05-12T21:50:00.000-04:002007-05-12T21:50:00.000-04:00Gentlemen,I'd love to stay. I am particulary inte...Gentlemen,<BR/><BR/>I'd love to stay. I am particulary interested in discussing if the Gospel as "justification" is biblically defensible, etc. But, as I'm to be married in 6.5 days I think my hands are too full. God bless you all. Pray for me.<BR/><BR/>-BenBenjaminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03054016505892878430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-79170185587714456132007-05-11T11:49:00.000-04:002007-05-11T11:49:00.000-04:00David Bryan,Good to see you back. You have been m...David Bryan,<BR/><BR/>Good to see you back. You have been missed, but I am very well aware that life goes on outside the blogosphere; it might be an exaggeration to call this convo your 8th priority.<BR/><BR/>And I really do appreciate the "civil and stimulating" comment. I am trying to get better than I've been in the past.<BR/><BR/><B>(Your) NUMBER ONE:</B><BR/><BR/>I pasted the relevant Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-53193292761491052602007-05-10T18:19:00.000-04:002007-05-10T18:19:00.000-04:00Hey guys,Benjamin,My statement of the Gospel is a ...Hey guys,<BR/><BR/>Benjamin,<BR/><BR/>My statement of the Gospel is a composite of many, many psgs of Scr, not "a verse," so there you go.<BR/>The <A HREF="http://rhoblogy.blogspot.com/2007/04/universalists-everywhere-or-paul-vs.html" REL="nofollow">companion and prequel</A> to this post was at my blog on the "faith alone" of James, just FYI.<BR/><BR/>Ruts stink.<BR/><BR/>The proof that your Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-58356689480440944412007-05-10T12:01:00.000-04:002007-05-10T12:01:00.000-04:00David Bryan wrote:"... God created us with free wi...<B>David Bryan wrote:</B><BR/><I>"... God created us with free will, and we are not forced by necessity either to virtue or to vice. Otherwise, if there be necessity, <B>there is no crown</B>. As in good works it is God who brings them to perfection, for it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that pitieth and gives us help that we may be able to reach the goal."<BR/><EricWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09008786460314263379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-37950318025546065442007-05-10T00:10:00.000-04:002007-05-10T00:10:00.000-04:00Benjamin,Well said! Amen to this last one.All,Res...Benjamin,<BR/><BR/>Well said! Amen to this last one.<BR/><BR/>All,<BR/><BR/>Rest assured that, even in my business this week, I <I>have</I> been keeping up with your conversation. It's been civil and stimulating. Good for y'all.<BR/><BR/>Alan,<BR/><BR/>Three things.<BR/><BR/><B>NUMBER ONE</B><BR/>Regarding Chrysostom’s commentary: you say he “hardly even mentions vv.27-28,” when in fact he Fr. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03489705490983833993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-91690094569822069372007-05-09T17:33:00.000-04:002007-05-09T17:33:00.000-04:00Alan,Your said: The Gospel: "Jesus is Lord and Go...Alan,<BR/><BR/>Your said: The Gospel: "Jesus is Lord and God raised him from the dead; by His undeserved favor we can have eternal life through faith alone in Him."<BR/><BR/>I would hesitate on your last sentence, not first and foremost because of its content but because it does not derive directly from a passage of the Scriptures. As we both know (it is repeatedly annoyingly by Catholics and Benjaminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03054016505892878430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-55058848852312169052007-05-09T14:00:00.000-04:002007-05-09T14:00:00.000-04:00Hi Benjamin,No prob on the handle. Just call me "...Hi Benjamin,<BR/><BR/>No prob on the handle. Just call me "Rho" or "Rhology" or "Alan" as you like. "Rhoblogy" is a feeble attempt to pun "blog" into "Rhology".<BR/><BR/>True, we're a bit off the original subject, but I've seen far worse digressions, as you probably have. :-)<BR/><BR/>Anyway, what is at stake is indeed the very heart of the Gospel, and I don't see any good reason to conclude Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10336499.post-88284367217162971042007-05-09T12:54:00.000-04:002007-05-09T12:54:00.000-04:00and forgive for for addressing you as rhob - for s...and forgive for for addressing you as rhob - for some reason I type your screenname as that when it is clearly not correct! No harm intendedBenjaminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03054016505892878430noreply@blogger.com